Clintwood-Haysi thoughts

**imported_biggamesjames** · September 3rd, 2006, 12:03 AM

"The third one, sorry man I disagree with you on that one, his arm was going forward as the ball slipped out. I know from your vantage point you'll say otherwise, and I'll say from mine which was directly in front of the play, and since it was on our sideline, and he's a right handed quarterback meaning his arm and motion was towards me, he was coming forward as it slipped out. As he completed the motion yes his arm hit it but it wasn't like he was swinging at a gnat either."

On your sideline? The play happened on about the 3 yard line near the endzone at the field house on the right hash mark. I was standing right next to Clintwood fan Tony Mullins and his wife and our vantage point was right behind the head ref about 13 yards from the play. It was the best view I had of any play the entire night. The ref made an extremely late call and did not blow his whistle and signal incomplete until the ball had already rolled around and was recovered by a Haysi defensive lineman. I immediately said fumble and Tony just smiled and didn't disagree. I think the call was based on the score at the time. Oh well no big deal...like I said before it didn't affect the final outcome.

**imported_Counts** · September 3rd, 2006, 01:49 AM

Lots of bad calls (going against both teams)

Haysi Came out excited and exploded on Clintwood in the 1st qtr (99% sure that we were in negative yardage that 1st qtr and Haysi started all 3 of there drives on the Clintwood side of the field)

Clintwood started the game out looking like they were a bunch of Freshman and sofmores going against a super tough team in a hostel environment IMHO in the final 3 qtrs Clintwood held there own (Being fair Haysi looked to be the better team the whole way through even after blowing there load in the 1st)

The kids from Clintwood grew up alot this week and so long as they don't tuck there tail between there legs this game will make them a better team this year.

I honestly thought Haysi would take a step back this season but I think that so long as something funky does not happen at Honaker they will finish up the year 10-0 and the Region D will go through Sandlick (Offence is better than last season the D may not be as tough but I kind of hope maby our O is alittle better this year as well [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] )

Haysi has a heck of a team this season and I hope we get to see them again at the end of the season so I can see how much our younguns grow up during the year

Conrades to Haysi I will be pulling for you the last 9 games this season LOL

**imported_biggamesjames** · September 3rd, 2006, 11:51 AM

"I honestly thought Haysi would take a step back this season but I think that so long as something funky does not happen at Honaker they will finish up the year 10-0 and the Region D will go through Sandlick (Offence is better than last season the D may not be as tough but I kind of hope maby our O is alittle better this year as well )
Haysi has a heck of a team this season and I hope we get to see them again at the end of the season so I can see how much our younguns grow up during the year
Conrades to Haysi I will be pulling for you the last 9 games this season LOL"

Funky things have happened at Honaker before just like in '04 when Haysi took a more talented team over there and got beat. We'll see what happens but I think if we go over there and play well then everything will be alright.

Just like I told you before the game I think the offense is going to be fine for Haysi. I didn't leave the game that night feeling great about the defense but I think they will be ok. I said before I believe the significant step back for the Haysi program won't come until the '09 season(Colley will step down that year). They will be down for several years until some of the kids that are in little league right now get in H.S. The JV program at Haysi right now is not in good shape.

I believe Clintwood can take alot of positives from that game and I think they will be a strong contender in the LPD. I don't think last years win against PV was a fluke, I believe they can beat them again. I feel almost certain they won't go 0-3 against Burton, GC and PV. I believe they will get an easy win against Appy next week. I too hope they win the rest of their regular season games and would love to see an all Dickenson County Region D Championship. Can you imagine if DC high was consolidated this year with the improvement at Ervinton? Put a few of the athletes they have in there with the speed Clintwood has and the size and power at Haysi and I'm afraid Richlands would just have to settle with being the 2nd best team in SWVA. Ofcourse that holds true over the past 15 or 20 years...football is as good in Dickenson County as anywhere per capita.

**R0cketer** · September 3rd, 2006, 09:51 AM

Yes closer to our sideline, You were standing near Tony and Valerie I know exactly where they were. I however was even closer to that. I always try to get behind the offense so I can see the number of who takes the ball on a carry, see if there is a bobbled exchange, etc. That is why when you're behind the QB and you see the arm going forward and the ball coming out, you're a bit more sure of the motion.

You said fumble immediately and Tony smiled. Mmmm what exactly was he supposed to do, jump up and down and beat you to death with your own arm?? You all were winning handily, it wasn't like we were disgusted that a bad call was going to cost us the game at this point. Probably was smiling that you were up like that and you were still trying for calls. The ref didn't call it immediately but when he did, he was awful emphatic wasn't he? It was a close call, no question, it may have been a fumble but to me at least, it really looked like he was trying to go forward as it slipped out and like it or not, that would be an incomplete pass, not a fumble. It wasn't like he was standing there holding onto the ball and it just fell out of his hands. I'll agree with you that at least one of the early non-fumbles was a fumble, I'm just not agreeing with every call that you see. You're right though, it didn't matter in the outcome.

**imported_biggamesjames** · September 3rd, 2006, 11:33 AM

"You said fumble immediately and Tony smiled. Mmmm what exactly was he supposed to do, jump up and down and beat you to death with your own arm?? You all were winning handily, it wasn't like we were disgusted that a bad call was going to cost us the game at this point. Probably was smiling that you were up like that and you were still trying for calls."

I didn't yell and scream at the ref or jump up and down or anything...i simply said "fumble" in a normal tone of voice. To me the call wasn't close...he clearly lost it as he was pulling it back to throw and the slapped it forward after he had already lost it. I believe i could see the replay 100 times and still be sure it was a fumble. I guess you see things through green glasses and I see them through red, i don't know.

Counts is right because some calls went against Clintwood as well. One of Haysi's recievers appeared to juggle the ball before gaining possession on the sidelines and it was ruled a completed pass. On Clintwood's first touchdown there appeared to be a blatant facemask on Osborne as he crossed the goaline after being caught from behind by Barton.

**R0cketer** · September 3rd, 2006, 10:33 PM

Never said you screamed, just said what we he supposed to do, get totally worked up at that point in the game? Turn around and tell you that you're wrong?

I think I realized what you're doing, it's a Dubya thing [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

"Sue Ellen Rogers of Hammerstein wrote me and told me that she supports what I'm doing and that we are doing right by social security so see America, I'm doing right!"...which translates to Tony Mullins smiled so I was right saying it was a fumble [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

In all truth, I watched the film and this play in particular again tonight. It's definitely a close play, and again I think he was moving his arm forward, the ball ends up in front of him, if he just dropped it, the initial point the ball lands would be at his feet or if he dropped it as he was raising it to throw, behind him (at least it would make sense if that was the case). It definitely could have been called either way. I got one for you though if you want to watch replays over and over and be sure that a call was missed and missed badly. Big long pass play, early in the game, down the sidelines. I think the play before #7 went in for 6. Receiver jumped, caught it and I was closer to being inbounds than he was. Actually a play like that did matter, because it was early, and I can't remember the down, but for some reason was thinking it was a third (might be wrong).

I had missed the Osborne facemask, I was writing down the yardage and missed it. It was a pretty obvious one wasn't it.